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Title: 100th post!
Post by: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 01:30:20 AM
My 100th post! :)

Here's to, I hope, the next hundred.

To do list


  • Mitanni

  • Hellas

  • anything else that I'm told to do lol...



Title: Re: 100th post!
Post by: Cush on August 29, 2007, 01:38:57 AM
Yay!! ;D
The most important issues of course is filling the gaps in the great dynastic lines of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and Anatolia. And of course writing some text for each entry...  ;) :o  Every now and then I will produce new placemarks, maps and charts, and also the timeline page could use more entries, too. Considering all I will have no shortage of work around here for the next 10 years or so.  ;D


Title: Re: 100th post!
Post by: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 12:35:51 PM
Egypt, Anatolia & Mesopotamia, you say? There's quite a lot there that needs checking for synchronisms with other dynasties in the region/elsewhere. I'm sure we can come up with a serviceable scheme in the absence of anything concrete from the pen of Mr. Rohl. :)

I could also draft something on attested rulers in Ethiopia and the later Napatan/Meroitic kings. However, the former will be AD and the latter in line with the OC.


Title: Re: 100th post!
Post by: Cush on August 29, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 12:35:51 PM
Egypt, Anatolia & Mesopotamia, you say? There's quite a lot there that needs checking for synchronisms with other dynasties in the region/elsewhere. I'm sure we can come up with a serviceable scheme in the absence of anything concrete from the pen of Mr. Rohl. :)
Well, I think first of all, the FIP and 16th Dynasty of Egypt should be an issue of investigation. Because a complete list of NC dates for Egypt is what folks will be looking for. After all, most criticism of the NC dwells on the gaps and inconsistencies within the NC Egyptian chronology, which is often used as basis and reference for other chronologies.
Quote from: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 12:35:51 PM
I could also draft something on attested rulers in Ethiopia and the later Napatan/Meroitic kings. However, the former will be AD and the latter in line with the OC.

As a start, you could maybe use the >list< (http://www.history-book.net/repository/eth.html) that is now in the database. It contains the (partially adjusted) information form the Ethiopian King List as published by Rey based on the material from Ras Tafari.
Excel of that list appended (zipped)...


Title: Re: 100th post!
Post by: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Cush on August 29, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
Well, I think first of all, the FIP and 16th Dynasty of Egypt should be an issue of investigation. Because a complete list of NC dates for Egypt is what folks will be looking for. After all, most criticism of the NC dwells on the gaps and inconsistencies within the NC Egyptian chronology, which is often used as basis and reference for other chronologies.


Hmmm..... was there not a chart displaying the 7th/8th (as well as all the others) in "Legend"?

Afaik one of the major problems with coming up with dates for these, as well as the 16th, is a lack of concensus as to which kings actually belong to these dynasties and what their precise dates are. I'll check to see what sources Rohl uses and attempt to piece something together from these.
Quote from: Cush on August 29, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
As a start, you could maybe use the >list< (http://www.history-book.net/repository/eth.html) that is now in the database. It contains the (partially adjusted) information form the Ethiopian King List as published by Rey based on the material from Ras Tafari.
Excel of that list appended (zipped)...


Thanks - I'll make any amendments I can.


Title: Re: 100th post!
Post by: Cush on August 29, 2007, 08:17:18 PM
Quote from: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Cush on August 29, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
Well, I think first of all, the FIP and 16th Dynasty of Egypt should be an issue of investigation. Because a complete list of NC dates for Egypt is what folks will be looking for. After all, most criticism of the NC dwells on the gaps and inconsistencies within the NC Egyptian chronology, which is often used as basis and reference for other chronologies.

Hmmm..... was there not a chart displaying the 7th/8th (as well as all the others) in "Legend"?
Yes, in the appendix of Legend a short outline for each dynasty is given. However, those dates differ considerably from those figures that you posted earlier from Lost Testament.
Quote from: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 07:39:39 PM
Afaik one of the major problems with coming up with dates for these, as well as the 16th, is a lack of concensus as to which kings actually belong to these dynasties and what their precise dates are. I'll check to see what sources Rohl uses and attempt to piece something together from these.
The 16th Dynasty is the one ruling from Xois in the Delta, right? And some of the rulers' names suggest a Phoenician origin. However, Wikipedia says they ruled from Waset...
Quote from: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Cush on August 29, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
As a start, you could maybe use the >list< (http://www.history-book.net/repository/eth.html) that is now in the database. It contains the (partially adjusted) information form the Ethiopian King List as published by Rey based on the material from Ras Tafari.
Excel of that list appended (zipped)...
Thanks - I'll make any amendments I can.
I just do not know how to thank you sufficiently for that  ;D
All the lined-through names are those that are invisible on the public website, because I found the source material too unreliable or simply fictitious.

16th Dynasty according to Wikipedia



















Anat-her
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User-anat
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Semqen
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Zaket
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Wasa
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Qar
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Pepi III
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Bebankh
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Nebmaatre
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Nikare II
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Aahotepre
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Nubankhre
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Nubuserre
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Khauserre
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Khamure
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Jacob-Baal
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YakbamSekkhaenre Yakbam
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Yoam
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Amu
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Title: Re: 100th post!
Post by: theelf29 on August 30, 2007, 02:31:47 AM
Quote from: Cush on August 29, 2007, 08:17:18 PM
16th Dynasty according to Wikipedia


I've added this (http://forum.history-book.net/index.php?topic=55.15), though it's not much use at the moment. There is one possible Biblical synchronism that I've noted.

I believe the 16th reigned from southern Canaan and Pelusium (the 14th - Nehesy et al - reigned from Xois). I'd take the Wikipedia location at Thebes with a pinch of salt - likely the editor confused this dynasty with the 17th.

Anyway, back on topic, congratulations on your own "century"! ;D
Quote from: Cush on August 29, 2007, 08:17:18 PM
I just do not know how to thank you sufficiently for that ;D


Give me beer!  :lol:

Edit:

Mind you, this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharaohs#Sixteenth_Dynasty) seems to include Theban pharaohs and lacks the Semitic names commonly assiciated with the 16th. These kings are amongst those I've placed in the 17th.


Title: 200th post!
Post by: Cush on September 18, 2007, 01:18:32 AM
Wow, you got the 200 !!!
Beer!!! ;D ;D ;D





Title: Re: 100th post!
Post by: theelf29 on September 18, 2007, 06:40:35 PM
Quote from: Cush on September 18, 2007, 01:18:32 AM
Wow, you got the 200 !!!
Beer!!! ;D ;D ;D





How did that happen without me noticing!? lol....

I've a cold so doubt I'd be able to taste any beer >:( but thanks anyway lol....

Hmm.... it's 208 to be precise. 208. :)


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