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16  New Chronology Discussion / Egyptian and Levantine Chronology / Re: SIP + pre + post, the Hyksos period on: June 22, 2008, 11:14:12 PM
Sorry - I got his tables online. I've been planning to order his work on SIP, though (as you may have guessed) I've not really been concentrating on NC work of late.
We're in no hurry Smiley And I must admit I have been rather lazy myself for the last half year.

Btw, thanks for drawing my attention to Rohl's latest spreadsheet. Very interesting synopsis of where his current thinking's at.
I have imported all the data into a separate dataset, so I can evaluate the dates in the spreadsheet. I will see what updates I have to make in my "main" database.
17  New Chronology Discussion / Ethiopian Chronology / Re: Lineage of Ethiopian Kings and Rulers on: June 04, 2008, 11:22:21 PM
Very interesting. I will try to make charts for the respective dynasties. A couple of years ago I had tried to find reliable sources for the EKL, but everything seems to be a mix of pseudo-history and biblical accounts.

Here is a comparison between the overview of dynasties in the book (right) and what's in my database (left). My source was mainly Rey's book (of which I have a copy).
With this new list at hand, I will of course change some of my data.



The line of Habassi is in fact a part of the line of Ori, but I removed the interpolated data at the beginning of the line (see chart).
Another major issue in these lists is that there seems to be no distinction between dynasties ruling in Kush and those ruling in the Ethiopian highlands (Axum).
18  New Chronology Discussion / Ethiopian Chronology / Re: Lineage of Ethiopian Kings and Rulers on: May 28, 2008, 07:11:02 AM
Hello all,

The attached kinglist is according to a book called The Sabbath and Jubilee Cycle, available for download at http://www.yahweh.org/PDF_index2.html.  The text is well-cited, though I don't agree with all of its assertions.

What are these dates based on? The chart footnotes refer to the Kebra Nagast, but the KN does not contain chronological dates to that precision. However, the Kebra Nagast names a few relative dates:
- Makeda came to Solomon in his 6th and her 5th regnal year = 965 BCE.
- Menyelek came to Solomon in the Solomon's 29th regnal year = 942 BCE.
I have to check the KN again, to see if it gives a reign length for Menyelek.
Of course, the information in the KB lacks confirmation.



Most lists of Ethiopian kings are based on the list in Rey's "In the Country of the Blue Nile", and Ray says he has the list from Haile Selassi himself. Nevertheless, I heavily doubt the accuracy of the list.

PS: Welcome to my forum!!!  Grin
19  General Discussion / Feedback, Forum & Site functions / NC manager 4.0 on: May 26, 2008, 10:48:19 AM
The NC manager is the software I wrote myself to edit the data stored in my database. Here's a few screenshots to give an impression of how it works.


Main window

Chart window

Placemarks props

Placemarks map
20  General Discussion / Feedback, Forum & Site functions / Registration disabled on: May 22, 2008, 09:25:10 PM
For the time being I had to disable the registration for this forum, because of the massive spam I receive through the registration mechanism. There were up to 200 new registrations per day , and that's just too much for me.

If you really want to join, send me an email through the contact form.
21  New Chronology Discussion / Egyptian and Levantine Chronology / Re: SIP + pre + post, the Hyksos period on: May 22, 2008, 03:23:50 PM
Does Ryholt mention what source material he used?
22  Geographical Regions Discussion / Syria, Levant, and Arabian Peninsula / Placemarks update on: March 26, 2008, 01:33:57 AM
*snip*
23  Geographical Regions Discussion / Syria, Levant, and Arabian Peninsula / Placemarks update on: March 26, 2008, 01:32:23 AM
*snip*
24  Geographical Regions Discussion / Syria, Levant, and Arabian Peninsula / Re: Google Earth on: March 26, 2008, 01:29:17 AM
*snip*
25  New Chronology Discussion / Egyptian and Levantine Chronology / Re: SIP + pre + post, the Hyksos period on: March 17, 2008, 01:51:26 PM
Ah. Wegaf is the "regular" Egyptologist's bet for first king of D13, whereas Sobekhotep 1 is Kim Ryholt's choice.
Which seems out of place, as Sobekhotep became a popular pharaonic name only later in the dynasty.
26  New Chronology Discussion / Egyptian and Levantine Chronology / Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom on: December 24, 2007, 09:40:39 PM
Damn, I need my own copy of the Turin king list...

This is what I use. Smiley

It's my aim over the next month or so to gather all data from the kinglists and place them alongside "archaeologically-attested" monarchs for reference.
Good idea. Finding matches and synchronisms is key Smiley

meanwhile I've added the info from A Test of Time p. 410 to the 12th Dynasty chart.



Unfortunately I couldn't find much reliable information about this "Lamares" (Manetho) and what his egyptian name would be.
27  New Chronology Discussion / Egyptian and Levantine Chronology / Re: SIP + pre + post, the Hyksos period on: December 24, 2007, 09:38:05 PM
Strange, in A Test of Time Rohl has conflicting charts on pages 340 and 411...
Really? What's the contradiction? (Sorry, can't find my copy.... Huh)
One has Sobekhotep 1 as first king, the other (later?) one has Wegaf as first king.
28  New Chronology Discussion / Egyptian and Levantine Chronology / Re: SIP + pre + post, the Hyksos period on: December 06, 2007, 11:12:22 PM
Strange, in A Test of Time Rohl has conflicting charts on pages 340 and 411...
29  New Chronology Discussion / Egyptian and Levantine Chronology / Re: SIP + pre + post, the Hyksos period on: December 04, 2007, 09:47:56 PM
Whoa! Interesting comparison!

What about those Wegaf/Sobekhotep inconsistencies? I tend to follow the following interpretation rather than Rohl's or Ryholt 's and put Wegaf at the start of the 13th Dynasty A.

Quote from: Phouka
Some egyptologits believe that Sobekhotep I was the founder of the 13th Dynasty -- having been switched with Wegaf. However, he is clearly noted as pharaoh number 19 in thr Turin list, but some believe that other evidence makes it ovcious that he was interchanged with Wegaf, who then ruled about 40 years later. Sobekhotep I is the first male pharaoh to adopt the crocodile god, Sobek, into his name.
His name is also present on about a dozen monuments, plus a few mentioned in papyrii.
It is assumed that he is the son of Amenemhet IV of the 12th Dynasty. The queen Sobkenefru may have been his mother (as well as his aunt, as was common).
Sobekhotep I was followed by a pharaoh named Reniseneb, which means "The Name is Healthy", but nothing else is know about this king.
30  New Chronology Discussion / Egyptian and Levantine Chronology / Re: SIP + pre + post, the Hyksos period on: December 03, 2007, 01:04:41 AM
wow, there seems to be a major bug here with this Wegaf dude and the first two Sobekhoteps...  Shocked
http://www.phouka.com/pharaoh/pharaoh/dynasties/dyn13/dyn13.html

Hmmm, both Ryholt and Rohl seem to be in the (minority) faction that switches Wegaf with Sobekhotep 2, strange....

I have updated some of the 13th Dynasty entries:
Thirteenth Dynasty of Egypt A13th Dynasty A
1632
-
1545
Khutawyre WegafWegaf
1632
-
1630
Sekhemkare Amenemhet-senebefAmenemhet-senebef
1630
-
1625
6 years of no king*
1625
-
1619
Sekhemkare Amenemhat 5Amenemhat 5
1619
-
1616
Sehetepibre
1616
-
1611
Iufni
1611
-
1606
Sankhibre Ameni Antef Amenemhet 6Sankhibre
1606
-
1601
Smenkhkare NebnumSmenkhkare
1601
-
1596
Sehetepibre Aamu-SaharnedjheryotefSehetepibreHotepibre
1596
-
1591
Sewadjkare
1591
-
1586
Nedjemire Nedjedib[...]reNedjedib[...]re
1586
-
1581
Khaankhre Sobekhotep 1Sobekhotep 1
1581
-
1579
Renseneb
1579
-
1578
Awetibre HorHorAwibre
1578
-
1570
Sedjef[...]kare Kaij Amenemhat 7Sedjef[...]kare
1570
-
1568
Sekhemre-khutawy Sobekhotep 2Sobekhotep 2
1568
-
1563
Userkare KhendjerKhendjer
1563
-
1558
Smenkhkare MermeshaMermeshaImyra-mesha
1558
-
1553
Sehetepkare InyotefInyotefAntef
1553
-
1548
[...]ibrfe SetSeth
1548
-
1545
Thirteenth Dynasty of Egypt B13th Dynasty B
1545
-
1439
Sekhemre-sewadtjawy Sobekhotep 3Sobekhotep 3
1545
-
1543
Kasekhemre Neferhotep 1Neferhotep 1
ruled
1543
-
1533
Sihathor
ruled 3 months in
1530
-
1529
Khaneferre Sobekhotep 4Sobekhotep 4Khenepheres, Khenephres
ruled
1530
-
1508
Khahotepre Sobekhotep 5Sobekhotep 5
1508
-
1500
Wahibre IayibIayib
1500
-
1490
Merneferre AyAy
1490
-
1467
Merhotepre Sobekhotep 6Sobekhotep 6
1470
-
1469
Sankhre[nesewadjtu]
1469
-
1467
[...]webenre
1443
-
1439
Mersekhemre InedIned
1467
-
1464
Sewadjkare HoriHori
1464
-
1459
Merkaure Sobekhotep 7Sobekhotep 7
1459
-
1457
king of unknown name*
1457
-
1456
king of unknown name*
1456
-
1455
king of unknown name*
1455
-
1453
king of unknown name*
1453
-
1450
Djedneferre DudimoseDudimoseDedumesu, Tutimaos
1450
-
1446
Sekhemre-sankhtawy Neferhotep 3Neferhotep 3-
Sekhemre-seusertawy Sokbehotep 8Sokbehotep 8-
Ibi
1446
-
1443
Hor 2-
Sewahenre SenebmuiSenebmui-
Sekhenre-
Merkheperre-
Merkare [...]Merkare-
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