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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2007, 09:30:56 PM »

While I was messing up my database, I came across this website.  I have only taken a quick glance yet, but maybe it proves useful for filling some gaps...
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2007, 11:51:59 PM »

That's more like it! For the Kerma list, Awawa and Nedjeh I'm not too familiar with, though Antef, Ijibkhentre and Segerseni are, iirc, fixed to terminal 11th/very early 12th Dynasty times.

There's also an "Ary" who may or may not be Alara, attested at Kawa. I wonder what you think - is it worthwhile adding a separate entry? (I'm also wondering if he's the figure behind Ras Tafari's "Aksumay Warada Tsahay"...)
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2007, 12:06:56 AM »

Jean says that Kim Ryholt is the source for the 14th Dynasty listing on that website, while for the Kushite king list the books Fontes Historiae Nubiorum I II III and The Kingdom of Kush by Lazlo Torok (?) were used.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2007, 03:36:56 AM »

The 14th Dynasty would be of interest to Nubian specialists due to the name of its "first" king. I feel that Rohl's interpretation of his origins is ingenious as, on the standard timeline, it's noteworthy that the only attested king of the dynasty (excluding the "proto 14th" up to and including Sheshi, who some lump in with the 15th) has a name meaning "Nubian" though all evidence points to him ruling a small statelet in the Delta.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2007, 11:11:29 AM »

The 14th Dynasty would be of interest to Nubian specialists due to the name of its "first" king. I feel that Rohl's interpretation of his origins is ingenious as, on the standard timeline, it's noteworthy that the only attested king of the dynasty (excluding the "proto 14th" up to and including Sheshi, who some lump in with the 15th) has a name meaning "Nubian" though all evidence points to him ruling a small statelet in the Delta.
Doesn't Rohl hint to a mixed descent?
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2007, 05:12:21 PM »

Yes - he has Nehesi as the son of Sheshi and the Nubian princess Tauti.
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2007, 03:01:51 AM »

I told you that list was nothing but trouble! Wink
The Cassiopeia part has no chance of being nailed to any specific time frame, I suppose?... because a "Phoenician" realm in the Ethiopia region would fit with the Poen/Punites dwelling on both sides of the Bab-el-Mandab and the southern Erythrean/Red Sea, before they finally moved on to become the Phoenicians of the Mediterranean. What of interest does the mythology tell about the famous queen?

Unfortunately, Cassiopeia was the wife of Cepheus, usually taken as the brother of Danaus and Aegyptus. As such, he would date to the late 17th/early 18th Dynasty time frame.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2007, 11:47:28 AM »

Unfortunately, Cassiopeia was the wife of Cepheus, usually taken as the brother of Danaus and Aegyptus. As such, he would date to the late 17th/early 18th Dynasty time frame.
Which means that this Cassiopeia is definitely NOT the Kasiyope of the early somewhat fantastical Agdazyan Dynasty (just as you wrote in your post), and that the respective part of the Agdazyan Dynasty may in fact be a fabrication.
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2007, 08:48:55 PM »

Almost certainly so, I'm afraid.

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2008, 11:17:27 PM »

Hello all,

The attached kinglist is according to a book called The Sabbath and Jubilee Cycle, available for download at http://www.yahweh.org/PDF_index2.html.  The text is well-cited, though I don't agree with all of its assertions.





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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2008, 07:11:02 AM »

Hello all,

The attached kinglist is according to a book called The Sabbath and Jubilee Cycle, available for download at http://www.yahweh.org/PDF_index2.html.  The text is well-cited, though I don't agree with all of its assertions.

What are these dates based on? The chart footnotes refer to the Kebra Nagast, but the KN does not contain chronological dates to that precision. However, the Kebra Nagast names a few relative dates:
- Makeda came to Solomon in his 6th and her 5th regnal year = 965 BCE.
- Menyelek came to Solomon in the Solomon's 29th regnal year = 942 BCE.
I have to check the KN again, to see if it gives a reign length for Menyelek.
Of course, the information in the KB lacks confirmation.



Most lists of Ethiopian kings are based on the list in Rey's "In the Country of the Blue Nile", and Ray says he has the list from Haile Selassi himself. Nevertheless, I heavily doubt the accuracy of the list.

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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2008, 09:53:52 PM »

Attached is a pdf of some select pages from Budge, E. A. Wallis. A History of Ethiopia, Nubia & Abyssinia (According to the Hieroglyphic Inscriptions of Egypt and Nubia, and the Ethiopian Chronicles). London: Methuen, 1928.  In the preface Budge talks a bit about the list from Haile Selassie (Ras Tafari Makonnen) via Rey and In the Country of the Blue Nile.  He later looks at older king lists and decides that they are deficient and full of holes, while the list from Haile Selassie is probably fantastic and corrupted by Egyptian names.  The final conclusion is that it is probably impossible to create a viable Ethiopian kinglist that far before Christ.

N.B. Menelik = Ebna Hakim and all their variants.

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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2008, 11:22:21 PM »

Very interesting. I will try to make charts for the respective dynasties. A couple of years ago I had tried to find reliable sources for the EKL, but everything seems to be a mix of pseudo-history and biblical accounts.

Here is a comparison between the overview of dynasties in the book (right) and what's in my database (left). My source was mainly Rey's book (of which I have a copy).
With this new list at hand, I will of course change some of my data.



The line of Habassi is in fact a part of the line of Ori, but I removed the interpolated data at the beginning of the line (see chart).
Another major issue in these lists is that there seems to be no distinction between dynasties ruling in Kush and those ruling in the Ethiopian highlands (Axum).
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Re: Lineage of Ethiopian Kings and Rulers
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2008, 10:27:46 PM »

  • 7. Dagmawi Tawasya II
  • 8. Dagmawi Abralyus Wiyankihi
  • 9. Aksumay Warada Tsahay
  • 10. Kashta Hanyon
  • 11. Dagmawi Sabaka II
  • 12. Nicauta Kandake
  • 13. Tsawi Terhak Warada
  • 14. Erda Amen Awseya
  • 15. Gasiyo Eskikatir
  • 16. Nuatmeawn (Tanautamun)
I've been wondering whether Erda Amen Awseya is Usermaatre-setepenamun Rudamun.
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