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« on: August 20, 2007, 07:51:54 PM »

David Rohl dates the 10th (including the 9th?) Dynasty as follows: -

PrenomenNomenNC Dates
[Meryibre?]Khety I2018-1973
[lost]1973-1968
Neferkare[unknown]1968-1953
[unknown]Khety II1953-1943
[unknown]Senen[...]1943-1938
[lost]1938-1933
Mery[hathor?]Khety III1933-1925
[unknown]Shed[...]1925-1919
[unknown]H[...]1919-1914
[lost?]1914-1904
[lost]1904-1899
[lost]1899-1892
[lost]1892-1886
[lost]1886-1882
[lost]1882-1876
NebkaureKhety IV1876-1847
Merykare[unknown]1847-1837
[lost]1837-1833

Italics signify the pharaoh of Abraham.

Dynasty 7 and Dynasty 8 would presumably be dated from the end of Nitokerty's reign (2061) to some time after the rise of Dynasty 9/10. The kings listed here were ousted from power by Montuhotep of Dynasty 11.

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Graham John Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 10:47:32 PM »

Thanks so so much. I've entered the dates in my database. How do you get all this so easily? And how do you make tables for the forum so easily? Do you type all that?
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2007, 11:27:27 PM »

Again, it's my trusty "Lost Testament". As for the tables, I generally get a few rows in, then copy them, just adding the information in as I go along.

Unfortunately, TLT doesn't give dates for the Theban 11th Dynasty, which would be very useful.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2007, 11:44:01 PM »

I almost feel that I am exploiting you  Wink
Due to my severe lack of time, this project has been going terribly slow for quite some time now, and now you are speeding it up considerably. I do want to express my deepest gratitude for that to you.  Smiley

OK, here's the complete dump of my database for all the >Egyptian Dynasties<.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2007, 11:54:15 PM »

Now THAT'S a list! Hmmm.... I think that, from the Persian perion onwards, the NC dates will be identical to those used in the OC.

I'll supply dates for the Old Kingdom & EDP if you wish?
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 11:56:42 PM »

Now THAT'S a list! Hmmm.... I think that, from the Persian perion onwards, the NC dates will be identical to those used in the OC.

I'll supply dates for the Old Kingdom & EDP if you wish?
Oh I wish that  Grin
I can make an excel file for you from that list, too.... so you don't have to type everything

ok, attached (zipped)

* dynasties_excel.zip (15.03 KB - downloaded 1 times.)
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 12:22:14 AM »

In the meantime I was typing out Rohl's take on the Pre/Early Dynastic Period  Roll Eyes lol

He seems to have added 40 years to Dynasties 3 & 4.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 10:35:19 AM »

Here is my tentative reconstruction of the 11th Dynasty at Waset: -

Intef "the Great", son of Iku (nomarch in Waset)
Mentuhotep I ("Tepy-a")1974-??
Sehertawy Intef I??-1926
Wahankh Intef II1926-1878
Nakhynebtepnefer Intef III1878-1870
Nebhepetre Mentuhotep II1870-1820
Sankhkare Mentuhotep III1820-1809
Nebtawyre Mentuhotep IV1809-1803

On this reconstruction, Mentuhotep II would've begun his rebellion against the 10th Dynasty in 1857 (reign of Merykare), finally defeating that dynasty and reuniting Egypt in 1833.

Please note this does not take into account any dual kingships or interregena that might have occurred and is not based on anything David Rohl has published bar the dates.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 02:10:07 PM »

But Merykare of the 10th Dyn reigned from 1847 bc to 1837 bc according to the list you posted >earlier<.

edit: OK, the 10th / 11th /12th Dynasties (=Middle Kingdom) would then look thus:



edit 2: Here's the >dynasties' list< again. An the excel of it is attached.

* dynasties_excel.zip (16.32 KB - downloaded 1 times.)
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 06:34:14 PM »

Oops! Thanks for pointing out my very deliberate ( Wink) mistake. I've got the kings garbled up, rather than a mix-up in the dates as the start of the rebellion is Mentuhotep's 14th year.

I like the chart. Looking at the comparative reign lengths, it might suggest that the 10th Dynasty itself was fraught with internicene strife, assassinations etc.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2007, 06:42:07 PM »

Oops! Thanks for pointing out my very deliberate ( Wink) mistake. I've got the kings garbled up, rather than a mix-up in the dates as the start of the rebellion is Mentuhotep's 14th year.
Hmmm... Mentuhotep's 14th year would be 1856 then which is still in Khety's reign. I'll change that later.

I like the chart. Looking at the comparative reign lengths, it might suggest that the 10th Dynasty itself was fraught with internicene strife, assassinations etc.
That's what I thought. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2007, 07:21:18 PM »

It'd be interesting to see how the 7th/8th Dynasty/ies would fit into the charts.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2007, 10:27:54 PM »

Indeed.
Right now I am re-programming my generator for the charts.

BTW which books by Rohl do you have? I have A Test of Time, Legend, From Eden to Exile, and The Lords of Avaris. And every now and then I re-read them in order to find more info that may have escaped me in previous reads... Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2007, 11:12:16 PM »

My collection includes "A Test of Time", "The Lost Testament" & "Lords of Avaris". I did borrow "Legend" from my local library some years ago. I recall reading it around Christmas time. In fact, that may well have been the first book by Rohl that I read.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2007, 02:32:41 PM »

My collection includes "A Test of Time", "The Lost Testament" & "Lords of Avaris". I did borrow "Legend" from my local library some years ago. I recall reading it around Christmas time. In fact, that may well have been the first book by Rohl that I read.
So you'll understand that I am also eager to put some of the Mesopotamian dynasties in here...  Grin

Right now I am re-programming my generator for the charts.
So here is a chart created with the new software...
It has anti-aliased text and events are now displayed (before I had to manually add them in), and this evening I shall make the double-chart working (like the one comparing the 10th and 11th Dynasties)


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