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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2007, 05:00:16 PM »

Dynasty VIII
Abydos King ListTurin CanonOther information
Neferkare PapisnebNeferkare Sheri (i.e. "the younger")
Neferkamin Anu/Sneferka AnuNeferkamin
QakareIbipyramid (Saqqara) and graffiti (Nubia)

I'm wondering if these first three kings of "Dynasty 8" might not be a duplication in the Turin Canon for three kings tacked on to Dynasty 6: Neferka (sometimes called "the child"), Nefer and Aba.
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2007, 12:18:29 AM »

Dynasty VIII
Abydos King ListTurin CanonOther information
Neferkare PapisnebNeferkare Sheri (i.e. "the younger")
Neferkamin Anu/Sneferka AnuNeferkamin
QakareIbipyramid (Saqqara) and graffiti (Nubia)

I'm wondering if these first three kings of "Dynasty 8" might not be a duplication in the Turin Canon for three kings tacked on to Dynasty 6: Neferka (sometimes called "the child"), Nefer and Aba.
The name similarity is indeed striking. Are Neferka, Nefer and Aba kings contemporary to the 6th Dynasty?
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2007, 05:06:55 PM »

Welcome back! Wink

Neferka, Nefer and Aba follow Nitiqreti in the Turin king list (IV, 9-11), followed by 2 kings whose names have been lost (IV, 12 & 13). IV, 14-17 are summations followed by two more lost names (IV , 18 & 19) who are most likely Khety 1 and the unknown second king of Dynasty 9.
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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2007, 10:49:14 PM »

Welcome back! Wink
Well, I am still half away. I am working out of town 3 or 4 days a week now, and I am spending a little over tree hours in trains each of these days...  Roll Eyes ...and in the evenings my brain is practically dead.

Neferka, Nefer and Aba follow Nitiqreti in the Turin king list (IV, 9-11), followed by 2 kings whose names have been lost (IV, 12 & 13). IV, 14-17 are summations followed by two more lost names (IV , 18 & 19) who are most likely Khety 1 and the unknown second king of Dynasty 9.
So these names appear after the official end of the 6th Dynasty? Damn, I need my own copy of the Turin king list...
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2007, 02:23:46 AM »

Damn, I need my own copy of the Turin king list...

This is what I use. Smiley

It's my aim over the next month or so to gather all data from the kinglists and place them alongside "archaeologically-attested" monarchs for reference.
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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2007, 09:40:39 PM »

Damn, I need my own copy of the Turin king list...

This is what I use. Smiley

It's my aim over the next month or so to gather all data from the kinglists and place them alongside "archaeologically-attested" monarchs for reference.
Good idea. Finding matches and synchronisms is key Smiley

meanwhile I've added the info from A Test of Time p. 410 to the 12th Dynasty chart.



Unfortunately I couldn't find much reliable information about this "Lamares" (Manetho) and what his egyptian name would be.
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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2008, 07:51:33 PM »

Unfortunately I couldn't find much reliable information about this "Lamares" (Manetho) and what his egyptian name would be.
I understand that Lamares (or Ameres) is considered to be Amenemhet 3, believed to be a garbled version of his praenomen Nimaatre. I've also seen speculation linking the name with Moeris.
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"Dynasty" at Khemenu?
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2009, 01:21:06 PM »

There is also a minor "dynasty" of nomarchs based at Khemenu (Hermopolis) in the Hare nome (Un) during the FIP and early Middle Kingdom, some of whom seem to have dated events to their own "regnal years".

Here is a very tentative list I've pieced together: -

NomarchVery approximate dates
Aha 11980-1960
Aha 21960-1940
Djehutynakht 11940-1920
Djehutynakht 21920-1900
Djehutynakht 31900-1880
Ahanakht 11880-1860
Ahanakht 21860-1840
Djehutynakht 41840-1820
Neheri 11820-1800
Kay1800-1780
Djehutynakht 51780-1760
Neheri 21760-1740
(Amenemhet?)1740-1720
Djehutyhotep1720-1690
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Re: "Dynasty" at Khemenu?
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2009, 01:45:17 PM »

...1900-1880
Ahanakht 11880-1860
...1840-1820

Ahanakht was "overseer" of the western desert in the time of Neferkare.

Therefore, here's a slightly revised Dynasty 10: -

PrenomenNomenNC Dates
[lost?]1914-1904
[lost]1904-1899
[lost]1899-1892
[lost]1892-1886
[lost]1886-1882
Neferkare?1882-1876
NebkaureKhety IV1876-1847
Merykare[unknown]1847-1837
[lost]1837-1833
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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2009, 03:46:42 PM »

Dynasty VII
Netjerikare
Menkare
Neferkare (2)possibly mistake for Wadjkare
Neferkare Nebyson of Pepi 2
Djedkare Shemai
Neferkare Khendu
Merenhor
Neferkaminaka Sneferka?
Nikare (1)
Neferkare Tereru
Neferkahor

Rohl now has the following for Dynasty VII: -
[lost]2061-2059
Neferkare2059-2055
Nufe2055-2053
Ibi2053-2049
[lost]2049-2047
[lost]2047

Dynasty VIII has "5 kings for 100 years" and runs from 2044-1944, followed immediately by Mentuhotep 1 (1944-1931)

The end of Dynasty 6 has Merenre 2 (2074-2073) and Nitokerty (2073-2062).
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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2009, 10:12:30 PM »

Oh, that's what I had in the database for the 7th Dynasty.

Seventh Dynasty of Egypt7th Dynasty
2061
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2045
Netjerikare
circa
2061
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2060
Menkare
circa
2060
-
2059
Neferkare (2)
circa
2059
-
2057
Neferkare Neby
circa
2057
-
2055
Djedkare Shemai
circa
2055
-
2054
Neferkare Khendu
circa
2054
-
2053
Merenhor
circa
2053
-
2052
Neferkamin
circa
2052
-
2050
Nikare (1)
circa
2050
-
2049
Neferkare Tereru
circa
2049
-
2048
Neferkahor
circa
2048
-
2045

So the Neferkare in your list would be the Neferkare (2) in the databse?
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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2009, 03:03:21 AM »

So the Neferkare in your list would be the Neferkare (2) in the databse?

More than likely. To my mind, Nufe ("Nefer" on the Turin transcription I used) is likely Neferkare Neby and Ibi is, of course, Qakare.
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