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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2007, 05:00:16 PM »

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Dynasty VIII

Abydos King List	Turin Canon	Other information
Neferkare Papisneb	Neferkare Sheri (i.e. "the younger")
Neferkamin Anu/Sneferka Anu	Neferkamin
Qakare	Ibi	pyramid (Saqqara) and graffiti (Nubia)

I'm wondering if these first three kings of "Dynasty 8" might not be a duplication in the Turin Canon for three kings tacked on to Dynasty 6: Neferka (sometimes called "the child"), Nefer and Aba.


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2007, 12:18:29 AM »

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Quote from: theelf29 on August 29, 2007, 10:51:14 PM

Dynasty VIII

Abydos King List	Turin Canon	Other information
Neferkare Papisneb	Neferkare Sheri (i.e. "the younger")
Neferkamin Anu/Sneferka Anu	Neferkamin
Qakare	Ibi	pyramid (Saqqara) and graffiti (Nubia)

The name similarity is indeed striking. Are Neferka, Nefer and Aba kings contemporary to the 6th Dynasty?


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2007, 05:06:55 PM »

Welcome back! Wink

Neferka, Nefer and Aba follow Nitiqreti in the Turin king list (IV, 9-11), followed by 2 kings whose names have been lost (IV, 12 & 13). IV, 14-17 are summations followed by two more lost names (IV , 18 & 19) who are most likely Khety 1 and the unknown second king of Dynasty 9.


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2007, 10:49:14 PM »

Quote from: theelf29 on September 27, 2007, 05:06:55 PM

Welcome back! Wink

Well, I am still half away. I am working out of town 3 or 4 days a week now, and I am spending a little over tree hours in trains each of these days... Roll Eyes

...and in the evenings my brain is practically dead.

Quote from: theelf29 on September 27, 2007, 05:06:55 PM

So these names appear after the official end of the 6th Dynasty? Damn, I need my own copy of the Turin king list...


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2007, 02:23:46 AM »

Quote from: Cush on September 27, 2007, 10:49:14 PM

Damn, I need my own copy of the Turin king list...

This is what I use.

It's my aim over the next month or so to gather all data from the kinglists and place them alongside "archaeologically-attested" monarchs for reference.


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2007, 09:40:39 PM »

Quote from: theelf29 on September 28, 2007, 02:23:46 AM

Quote from: Cush on September 27, 2007, 10:49:14 PM

Damn, I need my own copy of the Turin king list...

This is what I use.

It's my aim over the next month or so to gather all data from the kinglists and place them alongside "archaeologically-attested" monarchs for reference.

Good idea. Finding matches and synchronisms is key

meanwhile I've added the info from A Test of Time p. 410 to the 12th Dynasty chart.

Unfortunately I couldn't find much reliable information about this "Lamares" (Manetho) and what his egyptian name would be.


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2008, 07:51:33 PM »

Quote from: Cush on December 24, 2007, 09:40:39 PM

Unfortunately I couldn't find much reliable information about this "Lamares" (Manetho) and what his egyptian name would be.

I understand that Lamares (or Ameres) is considered to be Amenemhet 3, believed to be a garbled version of his praenomen Nimaatre. I've also seen speculation linking the name with Moeris.


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"Dynasty" at Khemenu?
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2009, 01:21:06 PM »

There is also a minor "dynasty" of nomarchs based at Khemenu (Hermopolis) in the Hare nome (Un) during the FIP and early Middle Kingdom, some of whom seem to have dated events to their own "regnal years".

Here is a very tentative list I've pieced together: -

Nomarch	Very approximate dates
Aha 1	1980-1960
Aha 2	1960-1940
Djehutynakht 1	1940-1920
Djehutynakht 2	1920-1900
Djehutynakht 3	1900-1880
Ahanakht 1	1880-1860
Ahanakht 2	1860-1840
Djehutynakht 4	1840-1820
Neheri 1	1820-1800
Kay	1800-1780
Djehutynakht 5	1780-1760
Neheri 2	1760-1740
(Amenemhet?)	1740-1720
Djehutyhotep	1720-1690


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Re: "Dynasty" at Khemenu?
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2009, 01:45:17 PM »

Quote from: theelf29 on January 26, 2009, 01:21:06 PM

...	1900-1880
Ahanakht 1	1880-1860
...	1840-1820

Ahanakht was "overseer" of the western desert in the time of Neferkare.

Therefore, here's a slightly revised Dynasty 10: -

Prenomen	Nomen	NC Dates
[lost?]		1914-1904
[lost]		1904-1899
[lost]		1899-1892
[lost]		1892-1886
[lost]		1886-1882
Neferkare?		1882-1876
Nebkaure	Khety IV	1876-1847
Merykare	[unknown]	1847-1837
[lost]		1837-1833


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2009, 03:46:42 PM »

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Dynasty VII

Netjerikare
Menkare
Neferkare (2)	possibly mistake for Wadjkare
Neferkare Neby	son of Pepi 2
Djedkare Shemai
Neferkare Khendu
Merenhor
Neferkamin	aka Sneferka?
Nikare (1)
Neferkare Tereru
Neferkahor

Rohl now has the following for Dynasty VII: -

[lost]	2061-2059
Neferkare	2059-2055
Nufe	2055-2053
Ibi	2053-2049
[lost]	2049-2047
[lost]	2047

Dynasty VIII has "5 kings for 100 years" and runs from 2044-1944, followed immediately by Mentuhotep 1 (1944-1931)

The end of Dynasty 6 has Merenre 2 (2074-2073) and Nitokerty (2073-2062).


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2009, 10:12:30 PM »

Oh, that's what I had in the database for the 7th Dynasty.

Seventh Dynasty of Egypt	7th Dynasty		2061	-	2045
· Netjerikare		circa	2061	-	2060
· Menkare		circa	2060	-	2059
· Neferkare (2)		circa	2059	-	2057
· Neferkare Neby		circa	2057	-	2055
· Djedkare Shemai		circa	2055	-	2054
· Neferkare Khendu		circa	2054	-	2053
· Merenhor		circa	2053	-	2052
· Neferkamin		circa	2052	-	2050
· Nikare (1)		circa	2050	-	2049
· Neferkare Tereru		circa	2049	-	2048
· Neferkahor		circa	2048	-	2045

So the Neferkare in your list would be the Neferkare (2) in the databse?


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Re: FIP & Middle Kingdom
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2009, 03:03:21 AM »

Quote from: Cush on January 28, 2009, 10:12:30 PM

So the Neferkare in your list would be the Neferkare (2) in the databse?

More than likely. To my mind, Nufe ("Nefer" on the Turin transcription I used) is likely Neferkare Neby and Ibi is, of course, Qakare.


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